The East Timorese are such beautiful, striking people. They have a pronounced facial structure, high cheekbones and their smile is intoxicating and infectious. The constant white flashes from the Timorese immediately makes one feel welcome. After all that they’ve gone through you have to admire their ability to smile with such warmth and be so welcoming.

The other night over dinner we learnt that illegal cockfights were a popular source of entertainment in Dili. So of course, we organised to go. The cockfights are one of the only sources of entertainment in very poor Timor Leste. Average annual wage is only around $1000US and at these fights there can be thousands of dollars bet on a single fight (that only lasts 30-45 seconds).  

We arrived at the arena along with hundreds of participants and gamblers. We were the only Westerners. As the car door opened the sound of roosters ‘kawing’ filled the air. In the empty block there was an elevated wooden boxing ring with a sand floor and a tin roof surrounded by stands. On the far side were overcrowded tables of men playing cards and roulette. There were men coming from every direction caringly clutching huge roosters to their chests. Within minutes the fights began. I was led up into the arena to take photos and have it all explained to me.

A cockfight begins by the two owners preparing their chicken by attaching hideous daggers to the back of the chickens’ legs (pictured).

Upon entering the arena they both give their the entry money to an official and crouch down meters away from one another in the centre of the ring.  The chickens peck at each other from their owners’ arms until they are sufficiently antagonised.

At this point the noise from the crowd picks up. The owners retreat to the sides of the ring and then with a shout of encouragement that can hardly be heard above the din, the cocks are released in a fight to the death.

The whole thing doesn’t even last a minute but by god it’s exciting! Within minutes I was ‘ooh’ing and ‘aah’ing with the crowd, jumping around to get a better view. As the dying losers are hoisted out of the ring the crowd is sprayed with their warm blood.

This only adds to the chaotic excitement. All around the ring there are American dollars held up towards the cocks, changing hands, being counted. Every few fights a boy runs into the ring and sweeps the blood and feathers away. More money is gambled, more chickens are sliced open. The people are entertained.

I haven’t even mentioned the massive and overbearing UN presence, the food or the politics. Dili is unique.

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185 comments to “Dili And Cockfighting”

  1. By Wally July 21st, 2008 at 5:36 pm

    Hi J J I am sorry I just read your article and I do not find it exciting. How would you like your local pet dogs or cat to be trained to kill each other just to entertain a blood thirsty crowd.Tere must be other forms of entertainment.PLease more positive aspects of your travel.Keep on treaking Wally

  2. By Andrea July 21st, 2008 at 6:07 pm

    Hi Jack, despite the plight of the Timor L’este people, I’m sorry but I cannot see that this form of cruelty in the name of “entertainment” is in any way legitimate. I guess animal cruelty is understandably low on their list of life priorities though! It all sounds fascinating…and I wish you and Jon best wishes on your adventures. I will be following your journey with much interest.

  3. By Ruth July 21st, 2008 at 6:29 pm

    Hi Jon and Jack, I am following your journey with much interest, but I confess to wishing I hadn’t read this entry. Although I question myself whether I would go to a bullfight if I ever visited Spain I know I would never attend cockfight no matter how much it was part of the culture or the only entertainment. The very thought is abhorrent. Having said that I look forward to the further adventures of Jon and Jack as you make your way to the other side of the world.

  4. By Lee July 21st, 2008 at 6:41 pm

    Call cock fighting exciting! Wait to you get to the Colluseum in Rome… now there’s true commitment to a bit of harmless fun.

  5. By Lee July 21st, 2008 at 6:50 pm

    Jack, I’m tipping your latest blog will have feathers flying.

  6. By Louise July 21st, 2008 at 7:02 pm

    I suppose it’s a question of moral responsibility. The world is full of opportunities and experiences. However how far over the line is one prepared to go to experience them?

  7. By Leanne Clarke July 21st, 2008 at 7:07 pm

    Hi Jack and Jon

    glad to hear you arrived safely in Dili, I must agree with the above comments. I don’t think it is at all acceptable for animals to fight to their death to entertain us mere humans no matter what our circumstances. However it is all part of the journey. Leanne

  8. By henry July 21st, 2008 at 7:40 pm

    Hi John and Jack, thankyou for the snapshot into life in Timor. You are only spectators and reporting what you encounter along the way. Isn’t that what the trip is about, not to be judgemental. It surely will be an “eyeopener” for both of you I expect! Best wishes.

  9. By Andrew July 21st, 2008 at 7:52 pm

    Provocative post Jack, as was perhaps your intention? Regardless, pretty disappointed.

  10. By Robbie July 21st, 2008 at 8:00 pm

    Totally agree with Wally, Jack. I understand the Timorese don’t have much excitement in their lives and for them this is their entertainment, but that you go there and in doing so support this cruelty does not reflect well on you. Do you find bull fighting exciting too? Am disappointed you guys seem to find it exciting and seemingly approve of this stuff.
    What does Jon think here?

  11. By Pam July 21st, 2008 at 8:07 pm

    I have been following your trip with much interest but was upset to see the pictures of the cocks fighting in the name of entertainment. I guess this is the only way these people can get some money but why should these roosters have to suffer such cruelty. Thanks for the lovely photos taken in Darwin and continue to enjoy your holiday!

  12. By Andy Staples July 21st, 2008 at 8:48 pm

    Mmm..VERY disappointed in this entry about the illegal cockfights.

    I would have hoped that both you, and especially Jon, would realise the sadistic nature of these events.

    I’m sure Jon’s ABC regular, Dr Hugh Wirth, will be most impressed that you not only went, but decided to report what an exciting time you had.

    I don’t care if it is part of the “culture” (love how that term is usually used to describe unacceptable behaviour),I would have hoped you both would have spared us from your description.

    I trust future posts will be more uplifting. VERY disappointed guys.

  13. By Gary July 21st, 2008 at 8:53 pm

    Oh Dear ….the travelogue just took a turn for the worst. There must be something else you can experience surely ?

  14. By Patsy July 21st, 2008 at 10:43 pm

    I feel shocked, disappointed & let down that you would even consider attending such “entertainment”. I guess you are not the caring people I imagined you were. I was looking forward to following your travels but right now I don’t think I want to anymore.

  15. By Natalie July 22nd, 2008 at 4:19 am

    Yuk, spew. Suppose it’s part of the local colour but how disgusting and revolting. Hurry up and post some ‘pretty’ pictures or even a couple of yourselves, just so we can see that you are actually where you say you are.

    I’m sure all the sights, smells, tastes are all part of life’s rich colour.

    Melbourne’s having a fair bit of rain lately. You’ll be pleased to hear and it’s ‘brass monkey’ weather, as we say in the U.K.

    Look forward to your next lots of stuff. Natalie

  16. By Lyn July 22nd, 2008 at 7:11 am

    Hi there
    As a long time listener to 774 I have been following your trip with interest so far and have been very envious. However I was quite disgusted with the “excitement” felt at the “entertainment” in Timor. You seem quite immune to this form of animal cruelty - hopefully Jack you will learn in time that the responsible traveller does not go to these events as it only validates animal cruelty. I hope we will be spared further stories of your excitement at future animal cruelty events that so many people are trying to stop by boycotting such events. I suggest you go to the WSPA site to gain more insight into your ignorance (hopefully due to your youth!).I look forward to more thoughtful writing.
    Regards
    Lyn

  17. By colin July 22nd, 2008 at 7:37 am

    Well done Jack and John, you need to experience local culture. Hope you won lots of $$$$$$$$.

    Safe travelling

    Colin

  18. By annie July 22nd, 2008 at 8:02 am

    Sureley you didnt find this entertaining - there must be more to photograph than this cruelty.

  19. By Keith July 22nd, 2008 at 8:32 am

    G-Day Jon and Jack,
    when I was kid, I couldn’t wait to go up to the back wood heap with my grandfather to see the chickens run around with out a head. Your joining in in there culture and I think that’s what its all about. Will be following your progress, have a great one.
    Keith

  20. By Lisa July 22nd, 2008 at 8:58 am

    I cannot see that this form of cruelty in the name of “entertainment” is in any way legitimate. Iam suprised that you found it entertaining -
    seeing the pain that those poor birds had to endure for your enjoyment.
    Lisa

  21. By Gail Knightbridge July 22nd, 2008 at 9:45 am

    I’m not sure I want to follow your adventures any more if I’m going to have to look at scenes such as these. How can you possibly enjoy this mindless cruelty? There will be opportunities to see dog fighting along the way. Will you enjoy that too? Please don’t publish the graphic details.
    Gail.

  22. By Paul the cabbie July 22nd, 2008 at 10:01 am

    Thanks for brutally honest views. It would be easy to be xenophobic and judgemental of these people. Regardless of this being a blog it was an exceptioal piece of journalism.
    well done

  23. By Paul the cabbie July 22nd, 2008 at 10:01 am

    oops i should proof read pleae add “n” lol

  24. By Phil July 22nd, 2008 at 10:07 am

    I don’t know what to make of the cock-fighting story. I doubt very much that you approve. Though it certainly comes across that way. What about the trip on the ship. Does it always take so long to get from Darwin to Dili (with a vehicle)?

  25. By Bob July 22nd, 2008 at 10:11 am

    Hi Jon & Jack,
    As disturbing as the Cockfighting is to some, we would like to commend you for telling it as it is, and giving some “colour” to your travelogue. I think it hard for some to come to terms with the customs and traditions in some countries, but thanks for sharing your experiences.
    We look forward to your next post, and good luck with the trip.

  26. By Maureen July 22nd, 2008 at 11:11 am

    I am in shock! I can’t believe you participated.

  27. By Wendy July 22nd, 2008 at 11:38 am

    Hi Jon and Jack,
    Although I don’t agree with cockfighting I’m glad you are giving us a real idea of what people who live there are like, and what they do. I look forward to knowing more about other countries and their cultures.
    Kind regards.

  28. By AndrewD July 22nd, 2008 at 12:20 pm

    Wouldn’t the world be a boring place if we all had the same values. Congratulations Jack on the dispatch.

  29. By Grant July 22nd, 2008 at 12:33 pm

    One thing we must remember is that J&J are traveling to other countries that may find this form of activity entertainment. They are there to experience each country for what it is, hardly their place to say oh no don’t do that..we’re from Australia. Each country has its own unique customs and I’m sure J&J will come across and report them.

  30. By Lisa July 22nd, 2008 at 12:59 pm

    Very disturbing story and pictures Jack.
    I know that ‘When in Rome…..’ but really? I think you have opened a can of worms with this one!

  31. By Sandra July 22nd, 2008 at 1:12 pm

    I too found your description of the cock fight revolting. Your facination with animal cruelty is disappointing compared with your other posts. You seem as though you are condoning rather than condemning such activity.

  32. By Debra July 22nd, 2008 at 2:16 pm

    Hi Jack & Jon, I’m afraid I have to agree with the previous comments - I am wondering why you actually decided to go to such a barbaric and cruel display. I enjoy learning of other people’s culture, but I can’t file this under culture - please keep us informed of all your travel wonders, and how terrific the Timorese people are, but not this……this leaves me cold

  33. By Melba July 22nd, 2008 at 3:09 pm

    Sorry Guys, yoiu must have forgotten that the “sport” of cockfighting is abhorrent in western society. Love what you are doing but please drop the Asian way of entertainment.

  34. By RKN July 22nd, 2008 at 3:16 pm

    Pictures are amazing but the content a little too gruesome for me. Would love to hear how the trip from Darwin went too!

  35. By Andrew B July 22nd, 2008 at 3:29 pm

    Disgusting. I look forward to hearing Dr Hugh’s response.

  36. By pam July 22nd, 2008 at 4:06 pm

    extremely disappointed to read this article. Shame, Shame. How could you possibly enjoy this barbaric “game”? Somehow I would have expected better of you both.

  37. By Sam July 22nd, 2008 at 4:33 pm

    I admire your honest account of this encounter. You appear to have told an honest story of your encounter, which is insightful of the culture in Timor Leste whether the reader agrees with it or not.

  38. By David July 22nd, 2008 at 4:59 pm

    It may not be exciting or entertaining in our eyes but it is their life. I can understand how the ‘excitement’ can overcome you even though it is cruel to us.
    Is it any better (or worse) than watching a boxing match where two men try and belt the daylights out of each other?
    Although I don’t approve of such ’sport’ you description was most entertaining.

  39. By John Pearce July 22nd, 2008 at 5:01 pm

    Hi Jack,

    What can I say, HUGE, HUGE thanks for responding so quickly and so positively to my previous comment re “pics4school” the pics you have already uploaded are so unique. I am so impressed and will look forward to any further contributions you can make to our pool. Just one thing though, some of the students who will potentially access the stream will be primary aged. Again fabulous work and all power for the rest of the journey, you’re in my feed reader.

  40. By Lindsay July 22nd, 2008 at 5:11 pm

    Hi J&J - I guess like bear baiting it will eventually die out, but you have provided an excellent snapshot of local culture and entertainment and I hope you aren’t going to be censored by those who don’t see it as it is.

  41. By Adam July 22nd, 2008 at 5:13 pm

    Thanks for the great update. What an intriguing experience. Part of this fantastic journey you’re on is to experience different cultures and it is not our place to judge whether aspects of these cultures are right or wrong. It is what it is and this is what makes reading about your journey all the more fascinating. I don’t want to view your journey through rose coloured glasses, I want the warts and all experience. Keep the uncensored updates coming!!

  42. By skin July 22nd, 2008 at 5:24 pm

    Finally, it sounds like the trip has started!

  43. By Darren July 22nd, 2008 at 5:24 pm

    Perhaps the observations of Jack should be put in context.He is a 19 year old man who is seeing,smelling and observing things not normally seen in our version of suburbia.He has neither condoned or nor glorified what he has seen.If we as third parties wish to able to participate in this trip we need to allow Jack and John to pass on all of their observations and experiences,both good and bad.I have been to Dilli and i can assure you that they could of passed on many a worse tale than what we witnessed.Good luck.

  44. By Geoff July 22nd, 2008 at 5:29 pm

    Hello Jack,
    I regret that I just can’t empathize with you as regards this ” sport ” and I am sorry but I do not find the thought of the spectacle entertaining.
    However your trip descriptions have been excellent and I look forward to following your journey.
    Good Luck and good fortune be with you both.Geoff

  45. By Ingrid July 22nd, 2008 at 5:40 pm

    Hi you two, can’t believe the comments on the cockfighting, hope you continue to report on the way things are, not on the way some Western sensibilities would like them to be. Great photos! They augur well for the rest of the trip.

  46. By GLUKE July 22nd, 2008 at 5:50 pm

    J & J, I hope with the rest of the world ahead of you we will hear more articles about the people and goings on, than barbaric articles like this. Yes, i know they participate in such activities but there much be many more pertinent aspects to East Timor than this.
    Regards,
    GLUKE

  47. By Tim July 22nd, 2008 at 6:15 pm

    Hi Guys,

    Whilst I don’t condone cock fighting, I found your story and photos interesting.

    Isn’t that what travel is all about? Experiencing life as others live it. We don’t have to agree on everything.

    Keep us up to date with your trip and travel safely.

  48. By Solly Faine July 22nd, 2008 at 6:19 pm

    Those hippies who can’t take cockfighting can stick it up their jumpers! It’s not as if you watched a human sacrifice for Christ’s sake (speaking of human sacrifices you missed a ripper Stations of the Cross in Sydney and one of the commentators on SBS said that “we” didn’t kill him - nice…)
    Jack, your writing gets better every time I log on and I look forward to more blood and guts blogging. I know that in SE Asia they have cage fighting TO THE DEATH with people from all over the world. See if you can’t get some of that on the blog. All the best, Solly.

  49. By Peter July 22nd, 2008 at 7:15 pm

    As I read your story I could almost hear the response’s of horror being typed. Not an activity to be recommended but an amazing experience well told.

  50. By tinsenpup July 22nd, 2008 at 7:57 pm

    Hi Jack, Thanks for the opportunity to share your experiences. Those photos (particularly the last two) are superb.

  51. By Charlie July 22nd, 2008 at 8:15 pm

    Hi Jon & Jack, I’m afraid I have to agree with the other replies, cockfighting is not exciting and definitely not entertaining. Sure it might be a means that the impoverished East Timorese people see as a way of making money but there has to be a better way. Anyway it’s good to see you are on the way on your epic adventure, all the best and I look forward to seeing your updates to the site.

  52. By Evelyn July 22nd, 2008 at 8:53 pm

    Hi Jack and John - I agree with Wally and Andrea. Am disappointed that you thought such cruelity was “entertainment”. Really expected more of you both.
    However, hope you are both enjoying the ride so far.

  53. By JulieW-Adelaide July 22nd, 2008 at 9:58 pm

    Hi Jack, Hi Jon, I loved your story on the chooks fighting Jack. I just love chooks……..in any way………don’t sanitise your journal……..what’s happened to you Jon?? Are you homesick already? And what did you do all that time in Darwin before you left for Dili? I guess it’s gonna get really strange from now on…..not comfortable, not white middle class yum yum - let the games begin ! Love youse

  54. By Matt July 23rd, 2008 at 5:14 am

    Hi folks. I’m so pleased for you. As, due to the wintery season of your arrival in Europe, you will not have the chance to see a real bullfight in Spain and the Chinese are not interested to have Westerners witnessing one of their Public Executions, this must have been the closest to special local folklore you could muster.
    So what… ? There are plenty of travel reports in the archives that have been recorded through squeaky clean lenses. Let the real stuff roll !

  55. By greg July 23rd, 2008 at 8:31 am

    Hello Jack & Jon,

    Glad to see your finally on your way and am grateful that you will be telling of your travels “warts and all”.
    The Cock fight photos were graphic, these are the sorts of stories we, as arm chair travelers, hope to learn about and no doubt this will not be the last thing you see that is totally different from our own p c culture.
    Keep on telling “The good, the bad and the ugly”.
    We look forward to the next edition.

    Go well,
    Greg and Helen

  56. By Graham July 23rd, 2008 at 8:32 am

    Surprised at you John at your descriptive and entertaining view re the “cockfights”.

    I have been to them in SE Asia myself and yes they are infectious for sure.

    But boy are you going to get it from the wowserish mob back here, personally I would have sat stomm, maybe mentioned it in passing that you and Jack went to one.

    Prob is the majority of the Chardonnay set back here in Oz have no understanding or tolerance of other peoples cultures. Cockfits to the Timorese if akin to Footy back here.

    Cheers enjoy the trip

  57. By kevin of southbank July 23rd, 2008 at 9:14 am

    Cockfighting? Hopefully KFC hasn’t made it there yet!

  58. By Donna July 23rd, 2008 at 9:28 am

    Right or wrong, adventures across the world are exactly that - One may have an opinion that is contradictory to the practice (as in the apprval of cock-fighting) but to not experience a region for what it has to offer is to not do your jouney or destination justice. Great change often occurs when unacceptable practices are brought to the fore.
    (Although graphic), Jack your photography is brillant. You leave me hungry for more. Well done guys.

  59. By Glenda July 23rd, 2008 at 10:19 am

    Yes… What about the voyage from Darwin? Was it so uneventful? Not many of us have done that one… what happened?
    Happy travelling.

  60. By Geoff July 23rd, 2008 at 10:46 am

    Complacent Australians sitting in their comfortable castles chiding East Timorese and even Jack and Jon. No, perhaps I’m getting this out of perspective… just put up photos of cute kids in future. Deny human experience while you’re at it.

  61. By Ray July 23rd, 2008 at 10:57 am

    Hi J&J.

    My personal view is good on you for showing it as it is, but unfortunately the blog has now entered into an “Adults Only” arena.

    Which is a real shame, as I know some parents and even some schools are using it as an educational tool.

    All the best with the rest of the trip, and safe travels!

  62. By Emma July 23rd, 2008 at 10:58 am

    Hi guys,

    I’ve also spent a bit of time in Indonesia and attended a cock-fight - actually had a boyfriend whose father bred cocks, and we used to spend time going around ‘cock-shopping’!

    I found the whole thing barbaric, but I also had this fascination with it….it was a strange feeling. I knew it was ‘wrong’ - but because it didn’t feel so wrong to the people I was this it…well…I wasn’t sure what to think!! It was all a bit confusing.

    John and Jack - when you get to Kupang check out L’avalon bar…free broadband internet, great views, and cold beers! Not so great food, but the massive Pantai Timor hotel has a good restaraunt with cheap, fresh food and wonderful ocean views.

    Salamat Jalan!

  63. By Trish July 23rd, 2008 at 10:59 am

    I completely agree with Donna, there’s good and bad everywhere, fantastic photo’s Jack. Can’t wait for next exciting entry, keep up the good work you two.

  64. By Lindsay July 23rd, 2008 at 11:01 am

    I am a little shocked at the response to your report Jack, while I do not support it, get a life, do what Jon and Jack are doing, get out and experience the world and the cultures, it will do you good. For heaven’s sake it is only weeks ago that these people were killing each other. This is nothing to what can be experienced in third world countries. Keep up the good work guys, I appreciate it, thanks, Lindsay

  65. By Robbie July 23rd, 2008 at 11:09 am

    For those who seem to approve of Jack’s report on “local customs’: where does one draw the line?
    At the stoning of alleged adulterers in Muslim countries? Beheadings in the market square of Riyadh on Friday afternoons? All “quaint local customs”, colorful etc.Give me a break.
    Darren (comment 43) says that Jack “neither condoned or glorified”. Well, this is what Jack wrote: “Within minutes I was ‘ooh’ing and ‘aah’ing with the crowd, jumping around to get a better view.” Seems to have some element of ‘condoning’ if you ask me.

  66. By Rolly July 23rd, 2008 at 11:31 am

    How some people despise reality.
    This is a fine piece of journalism and the photographs excellent.
    Keep it up guys, even if it does put a dent in your popularity with the hypocritical philistines who make up the majority of the “general public”.

  67. By Clare July 23rd, 2008 at 11:43 am

    Hi Jack & Jon,

    It’s a shame that the readers of this blog seem to be only interested in tales that suit their highly sanitised, western view of the world. Far more abhorrent than cock fighting I think, is the attitude so many westerners have towards conflicting cultural values. Far more offensive than the photos of the event i think, would have been a blog that said “The locals invited us to watch a cock fight but we refused because it does not fit with our Australian moral code”.

    Isn’t it interesting how people in such a safe, protected country find it so easy to get up on their soap boxes and rant and rave about the cultural practices of others, when they likely have absolutely no clue what they are really talking about. I’m sure if they had been living for years and years in a war ravaged country, with little money and little joy, they wouldn’t be so quick to slam activities like these.

    A cock fight may not have a place in Australia, but good on you for emersing yourself in local tradition. You will make fine ambassadors for Australia…and you sound like far more responsible travellers than any of the other drongos giving you a hard time on here. Viva Timor Leste!

  68. By Bryan July 23rd, 2008 at 12:02 pm

    Thank you Jack and Jon. For treating wintry Melbourne to a life-time trip - without the hassles and risks you face everyday.

    So why add to the risks? Why flout the Timorese laws by attending cockfights? Participating, condoning and perpetuating barbaric rituals. Mixing with others who defy laws and who might introduce you to other illegal activities. Educational or not, are you going to experience the dark side of all the nations you visit?

    Again, illegal or not, why do you find two healthy - perhaps happy - living birds fighting to the death exciting? Did you enjoy the aggression, the screams, the wounds, the blood, the twitchings, the last minute gasps exciting? Oh dear, it must be all those desensitizing play station games.

    What do you think of illegal dogs fights in Oz? Or having an international well-known radio commentator travelling to Oz and projecting the dark side of our nation to the world? Duck shooting, gun lobbyists, battery chooks. What are your thoughts on these issues now, Jon?

    Having said all that, take care when passing through other countries. Don’t ruin my armchair holiday by ending up flouting the laws of another country and ending up on the next plane home - if your lucky.
    Bryan

  69. By Marj Massey July 23rd, 2008 at 12:03 pm

    Forget the chattering classes J & J, just tell it like it is, all part of life’s tapestry. Enjoy, be appalled at times, seems like some folks only want the pretty pictures, well life is not all pretty pictures. You will see worse, and Jack you will return with a wealth of knowledge, you may too Jon.

    Keep on travelling. Marj

  70. By Margaret July 23rd, 2008 at 12:21 pm

    Whew! What a debate, but you are used to this Jon and you will be fast becoming so Jack.

    I too believe that you are out there to experience the world and the customs of the people in the countries you visit, that is the wonder of it all.

    I don’t like cruelty to animals (or people) and wish it didn’t happen, but need to be realistic.

    I have been very impressed with your writing Jack. You really paint the picture. The photos are fantastic too. I’m not sure which one is the photographer (perhaps both of you), but I have a feeling it could be Jack. I have some knowledge of photography and can truthfully say you have ‘a good eye’.

    Enjoy every minute of this wonderful adventure and I look forward to the coming entries.

    Margaret

  71. By Anne July 23rd, 2008 at 1:21 pm

    ‘So of course, we organised to go.’

    Why?

    If you were so fascinated with this barbaric spectacle you could have gone to an illegal cock-fight in your home town. There was no need to slander or patronise the poor Timorese by suggesting that extreme poverty was the cause of this cruelty. What’s wealthy and holier-than-thou Melbourne’s excuse?

    This is so disappointingly, and typically, Australian—–show the world in all its ugliness, overlooking the hypocrisy inherent in ignoring what happens in Oz.

    As for getting out and about and seeing the world, many of us spent years doing just that, sans the luxury of a 4WD with airconditioning, and know that there’s much more to Asia than the unspeakable treatment of animals, almost everywhere.

    Those photos were inappropriate, should have carried a warning, and had my children (10 and 12) crying and distressed. Who would have thought that I’d need to censor Jon Faine?

  72. By Arnold James July 23rd, 2008 at 1:54 pm

    It is good to see the real world. It might be more comfortable to put your head in the sand. Thank we are not ostriches. Get real guys. Keep going Jon and Jack.
    Arnold.

  73. By Maddy July 23rd, 2008 at 2:11 pm

    I too am amazed at the number of ‘disappointed’ people re this post. What’s the point of travel if you only stick to experiences that are safe and unchallenging?? I bet you’ve never been quite so patronised Jack. Keep on doing what you’re doing and reporting on it as you see fit. And keep travelling safely.

  74. By Jen July 23rd, 2008 at 2:15 pm

    Hi Guys, please don’t take any notice of the negative responses, you are out to have an interesting and experiencing 6 months holiday going around the world to places that majority of people would probably never get to in their life. Great reporting Jack, photographs are also great. As I have pointed out to Jon on many an occasion, if people don’t like what you say turn the radio off, therefore if people don’t like to read what you have reported Jack, don’t read any further, it really is as simple as that. Keep up the reports, they are great.
    Cheers
    Jen

  75. By Vicki July 23rd, 2008 at 2:28 pm

    I agree with Lindsay there… This is a slice of another way of life… and the very reason l come here to this blog… and privileged l am to be allowed this peek into another man’s journey… Thankyou Jack, it is in these small details of another way of life that we are told the biggest stories…
    Keep safe, travel well.

  76. By Leanne N July 23rd, 2008 at 2:57 pm

    Hi Jon and Jack,

    well you have stirred the possums. I can’t stand looking at any kind of cruelty to animals or people but realise there are lots of different things in the world. I’m sure in some tucked away sheds in Australia cockfighting takes place just as dog fights do which are also illegal. Jack it is good that you are looking at the world with relatively fresh eyes and an openness about your feelings whether they are good or bad. It just hows how we sometimes react with a crowd and are swept along even when we later think it was not such a good experience. Keep searching for the different, and the truly local. I am enjoying the trip!

    Leanne N.

  77. By Jamie Sayers July 23rd, 2008 at 3:09 pm

    Jon and Jack
    Remember the old Timorese proverb, “Sad chook which only makes soup!” (very loosly translated)
    Cheers
    Jamie

  78. By David July 23rd, 2008 at 3:18 pm

    G’day Jack & Jon,

    I must admit I am somewhat surprised at all the outrage over your story. Yes, of course by our (Western) standards the whole idea of the blood sport and associated cruelty is somewhat repugnant. However, I do also see that in experiencing the local culture, this was one facet, and given the marked difference to life here in Melbourne, it was indeed a worthwhile one to report on.

    I saw your story for what it truly was… that is NOT glorifying the activity, but acknowledging it for the obvious part it plays in local life as well as the apparent curiosity of the vast stakes at play when measured against local incomes.

    Indeed, as awful as the activity was and is, I thank you for bringing this to life… even if only as a reminder that the world is a big place and full of people who don’t all judge things by Western values. We all might rightfully say what they are doing is wrong, however we too must then be happy to stand and be judged for things that others might say is wrong in what we do.

    Well done, and please don;t let a few barbed comments put you off in your reporting.

    All the best for your travels now through Indonesia and onwards.

    Cheers

    David (from Brunswick West)

  79. By Phillip July 23rd, 2008 at 3:23 pm

    Hi guys,
    Who are we to patronise local customs when we have put children behind barbed wire, let alone maintaining our indigenous population in squalor.
    Good to see you getting into a bit of blood sport guys. Atleast you don’t stand off and put down. Well done.
    Enjoy and go forth…

  80. By Paul N July 23rd, 2008 at 4:03 pm

    They’re only chooks! Next stop the cooking pot. At least they got to die like men, sorry, I mean chickens..

  81. By Barbara July 23rd, 2008 at 4:58 pm

    Initially I found the cock fighting experience objectionable but quickly realised you are on a trip of discovery and you are the outsiders to what is normal to the East Timorese. I agree with Henry. Best wishes for a safe journey.

  82. By Dicko July 23rd, 2008 at 5:56 pm

    Gooday adventurers,

    Wacko Jack, you’ve really opened up a Pandora’s box of worms - I dunno but I reckon some people would grizzle if a snake was biting them.

    Keep up the beaut work - you’re a real chip off the old devil’s advocate block.

    Look after the old man.

  83. By Alistair Pilley July 23rd, 2008 at 6:05 pm

    An observation on the many responses to your Timor experience, - life is a series of experiences and for the majority of the world population, life is hard and by our Oz standards very cruel; one difference in our lives is we tend to hide the cruelty inflicted on animals, be it on the farm or in the abattoir!
    J & J savour the experiences and build your knowledge from them. Safe travelling.

  84. By Susan F July 23rd, 2008 at 6:33 pm

    I, like most, did not like the event and what I saw, so was not going to comment, however, who are we to judge when our country has not been through the trauma of East Timor. Like bull fighting I would never attend, but with such a young democracy E.T. must be allowed to grow and decide its own values - just like our own children. By visually sanitising events I am wondering if this could be interpreted as being too judgemental????

  85. By Shane D July 23rd, 2008 at 7:01 pm

    Jck,

    I wish to commend you on your narrative of the (as you reported) “illegal” cockfights. I find the overwhelming negative response to your blog to be illustrative of the sheltered life, culture and views we dwell in here in Australia.

    What do people want from you? Perhaps a travel log of five star Hotels, luxury pools and sucking your first Pina Colada served from a bar in the middle of the pool where you don’t have to move, even if you wish to pee.

    Goodness, this is a voyrage you are experiencing to learn the way of the world and its people. Our own forefathers relished in such blood sports between animals and between humans. To think that “Man” is now a civilised beast universally and to simply presume that these things do not exist or should not be written about is flagrant agnorance.

    I abhor the sport, although I understand the euphoria in which you were swept away in. It is the same euphoria that “do-gooders” are enticed nby during protest rallys and the like, even farmers who decide they are going to protest on the private property of our own state Premier (have you heard about that one John?)

    I suggest that these people who consider themselves above this emotion, and do not wish to read such entries had better remove this pagefrom their “favourites” as I beleive you are headed to Afghanistan and other developing and third world countries. I believe you will even travel to France, renown for it’s force feeding of geese to provide the luxuriant patte that, no doubt, most of these message posters have indulged in. Please, visit a patte production line and describe in detail the process and we shall wait for these ignorant little people to post their responses.

    So, while these people revel in their affluence with their sheltered lives, Toorak tractors, internet, cable TV wasting more food and resources than they consume while people starve to death, are murdered by cruel regimes they will remain ignorant of the savage beast that mankind truly is. While they live this fruitless, sheltered and pathetic little life, I look forward to learning more of your travels and observances of man and the world.

    You will, indeed, emerge from this journey a far more worldly and understanding person of mankind, the world and where you fit in the scheme of it all.

    Keep up the good work Jack, and please do not let the negative responses compromise your entries.

    Shane Driscoll

  86. By Eric July 23rd, 2008 at 9:31 pm

    Well done boy’s ,enjoy , are you going up through The Kingdom of Thailand , so we can see a cobra being cut open while it is still alive so that you can drink warm cobra blood ,that will upset those with blinker’s on too . Our world ,there world , and all of us in the global world aint perfect , sorry kid’s . Again Jon and Jack enjoy the adventure ahead .
    Eric.

  87. By Marsha July 23rd, 2008 at 10:42 pm

    Having read the posts, the advice looks like this.
    Keep to the speed limit
    Wave to old ladies
    Keep the windows up
    Don’t talk to strangers.
    Keep driving
    Have a sandwich in the car for lunch
    Stay in nice hotels and have dinner there

    For foock sake, tell it like it is Jack, love the photos, love the words.

    I hope that all the 774 nana’s and grandpas, get an early night, have their horlicks and chill.

  88. By Andrew July 24th, 2008 at 7:11 am

    Hi Jack,

    Nice piece of eyewitness reporting. Wonder how many of these haters are vegetarian?

    Cheers!

  89. By Lyn July 24th, 2008 at 7:42 am

    I cannot believe some of the comments which appear to condone everything in the name of “culture”. Talk about prtentious nonsense over a latte!!! These events should not be covered up but exposed for what they are - CRUEL. I look forward to a balance with some stories of human cruelty - beheading and stoning etc - told with the same gusto and excitement with great photos - it is “cultural” afterall and also should not be covered up.

    Look forward to reading your future observations.

  90. By Chrisp July 24th, 2008 at 8:43 am

    Jack, you’ve obviously listened carefully and learnt well from your Dad. Like many of the above posters I’m horrified at the thought of cock fighting, but I’m pleased that you reported it as you saw it.

    But maybe next time a warning that graphic photos follow I’m trying to eat my breakfast

  91. By Bob July 24th, 2008 at 9:19 am

    G’Day Jack and Jon,

    It seems Jack that you may as well have stayed home according to the majority of comments on this post. In future it may be best if you just give us a quick report on each of the 5 star hotels and department stores you see along the way. Any detail of local culture is verboten!!!

    So no reports of getting caught up in the excitement of bull fighting, kick boxing matches, Buzkashi in the ‘Stans, and obviously don’t attend any jumps racing in England when you arrive.

    Geez mate I thought the idea of an overseas trip, especially one such as yours, was to experience the culture of others and not just the sanitized concept most of us follow.

    Whilst cockfighting is certainly not my cup of tea, it happens and I found your report informative, which is why I log-in. I didn’t miss the fact you also reported on the friendliness of the people living in an impoverished state, on our doorstep.

    As you travel seek out the “different” for us and PLEASE keep reporting what you experience, as it happens!

    Over and out.

    Bob

  92. By Michael July 24th, 2008 at 9:24 am

    ‘Caught up in the moment’.

    Freud would say ‘group hysteria.’ Nietzsche would call it ‘herd mentality,’ ‘intellectual weakness’ - an inability to step apart from the crowd. Wasn’t that how Hitler came to be in power?
    Michael

  93. By Liz July 24th, 2008 at 10:01 am

    Thankyou for the story and for the terrific photos….not always easy to look at but very decriptive, emotive and thought provoking. Please keep writing on all that you experience not just a sanitised version. As I read how other posters were disappointed in you, it occurred to me that many people have an expectation of how you should behave and react simply because they have listened to you on the radio. Is this an unfair burden to put on you both?

  94. By Jess Maliana July 24th, 2008 at 10:13 am

    Hi Jack,

    Glad you and Jon had a lovely time in Dili.

    And although I don’t condone cockfighting I say to the negative commenters above, that yes, it is cruel for the roosters to die in the way of entertainment, but cruelty in our society is still present, but hidden - we may not cockfight, but we send people to kill other people for oil so we can drive our cars…

  95. By Diane July 24th, 2008 at 10:34 am

    This is just like talk-back radio, only better…you can “take more calls” than live radio will allow.
    Very provocative…. congratulations. I’m sure you have both being enjoying the furore. Your tactics have worked marvellously.
    But please, now that the dust is settling a bit, how about another posting telling us all about the journey from Darwin to Dili? Would love to hear more.

  96. By Michael July 24th, 2008 at 1:07 pm

    Hi Jack & Jon,

    Wonderered how the short life of fighting cock or the longer life in a battery shed may compare…

    Enjoying the frank reflections of your journey, Michael.

  97. By Silvio July 24th, 2008 at 1:55 pm

    Hi Jack and Jon
    Cock fights, bloody excitment,frenzy, electrifying.
    Sorry for the poor Cock, but I am sure he will fill the belly of its owner.

    Immerse yourselves in as many of these fabulous adventure and experience that you both can and I look forward to reading more.

  98. By tony fitzgerald July 24th, 2008 at 2:03 pm

    I saw those fascinating cock fights in Dili in 1971. We men of the world know that observing a significant cultural event does not necessarily amount to support for it. Cock fights happen in Bali and Ecuador and I’ve seen them there too. Personally the demise of one (sometimes both)of the protagonists makes me a little sick in the stomach, but the atmosphere and the crowd reaction are irresistible drawcards. You know, the death of the brave bull in the bullfight makes me feel the same way - but the drama and outrageuos culture of the bullfight (in Mexico City at least)is not to be missed! Well Jon Crikey had a pathetic go at you in today’s online issue for exceeding the ABC ban on corporate endorsements by your open acknowledgement and naming of the corporate supporters of your adventure travel. Thanks for the present
    Regards
    Tony Fitz

  99. By bernski July 24th, 2008 at 2:17 pm

    “The whole thing doesn’t even last a minute but by god it’s exciting!” are you serious?? How can you support and encourage such blatant cruelty?

  100. By BILL from Ballarat July 24th, 2008 at 3:03 pm

    Well done Jack tell it like you see it. I for one are sick to the back teeth of the gooders.

  101. By Ann July 24th, 2008 at 3:29 pm

    Watch the hits to this site skyrocket with a mention in crikey.com today

  102. By running thread July 24th, 2008 at 3:54 pm

    My how the feathers are flying.

  103. By Eva July 24th, 2008 at 4:39 pm

    I can not believe all the comments I am reading. What has the disapproval with such behaviour to do with arm char set? Or Chardonnay sipping society? Only because we are here and not there, does that mean we have to agree with everything? And only because we have grown up and lived in western societies, does that mean that we can not comment on goings on in the rest of the world? I believe that the majority of Australians strongly disapprove whaling by the Japanese in the Southern Ocean. Apparently they do that out of cultural and/or scientific reasons too. Do we not comment on that? Negatively? Is this just another form of political correctness gone mad? And only because one is traveling, does that mean one has to abandon once believes? Is it possible to travel, but still be critical?

    Jon & Jack, I greatly enjoy your accounts. I don’t have to agree or like them, but I would fight for your right to report them.

    Safe Journey.

  104. By John Roberts July 24th, 2008 at 5:03 pm

    Jack & John,

    What a judgemental reaction by a bunch of ‘nancy-pants’ who have lived their cosseted existence within the safe confines of sterilized Australia.

    I know exactly where you are, having spent all of 2004 working just outside of Dili. Cockfighting is a way of life.

    You can see some of my photos from East Timor, Mozambique, and Afghanistan here:

    http://www.aulro.com/afvb/general-chat/59234-employment-opportunities.html

    Grow up a Australia. It is a big bad exciting colourful world out there.

    Cheers,

    John Roberts

  105. By Stuart D. July 24th, 2008 at 6:07 pm

    Jon and Jack,
    I experienced cock fighting in Manilla 20 years ago when I was a teenager, although it is not pretty, it is exciting, and it is part of life to them. I can’t believe some of the responses you are getting. Travel is about experiencing other cultures, not just seeing what you are shown. Life in other parts of the world is quite different to here in Melbourne isn’t it.
    Keep on enjoying the journey. Stu D

  106. By Ruth July 24th, 2008 at 6:31 pm

    I have been to TL several times and never been even remotely tempted to go anywhere near the cockfights. I have found that the East Timorese have many things that make them laugh such as singing and dancing even though undesputably their life is difficult. I don’t think it is necessary to focus on the macabre. What did you think Jon? I hope that the rest of your trip is not dominated by such cruelty to animals as this entry has.

  107. By James July 24th, 2008 at 6:33 pm

    If J & J only did stuff that fitted in with cosy, urban Australian values, by Christ it would be a short trip. Keep it up, guys.

  108. By Paul Walsh July 24th, 2008 at 8:48 pm

    Dear Messrs Faine, (I feel foolish addressing either of you as Jack or Jon having never met one or the other of you.)

    Please take no notice of the carping women (almost all of your hysterical attackers were the female of the species I note) and enjoy everything that S.E. Asia, the Middle East and Europe have to offer. Your interest in, and recording of, even the mildly distasteful ways of our brothers is commendable, even praise worthy.

    I am sure that apart from the (presumably vegetarian) whinging women of neat and clean Doncaster and its environs, and the ideologically bigoted from the Peoples’ Republic Brunswick, the rest of us who have travelled away from the shores of Australia, will enjoy your observations, photographic and textual, of all that interests, attracts and befalls you both while travelling.

    Have a wonderful time gentlemen, and God (or whoever she is) speed your progress.

    Paul Walsh
    Yarraville.

  109. By Stinker July 24th, 2008 at 9:02 pm

    Hey Fanny

    Great to get a piece from you Jack, you did it well, sounds like a fantastic worldly experience and you are lucky to have the oppurtunity. Something you cant do from the arm chair in fitzroy with a chardonnay in one hand and a copy of “An inconvenient truth” in the other.

    Tell it how you see it mate, it is the truth that is worthwhile. Maybe you should post blogs in two categories, one with long explanations of the beautiful landscapes and fine foods of the world, and one with slightly more realism for those of us who really wish to take something new away from your experience.

  110. By Amber July 24th, 2008 at 9:05 pm

    Good On You for telling the story. It is what it is, not part of ‘our culture’ but part of theirs. Don’t be dissuaded, experience the life of the place you are in and please contine to share, why else leave your own backyard?
    Loving every word, just wish there was more of them! Life on the ship??

  111. By Gerard ... Torquay July 24th, 2008 at 9:41 pm

    John ,
    Thanks for a true taste of life in East Timor …. we might not agree with it ….. but it’s the way other people entertain themselves in tough circumstances….. we don’t all have Plasmas and Foxtel.

  112. By Joseph July 24th, 2008 at 9:51 pm

    Fainey! You’ve certainly put the cat among the pidgeons. Bit scrawny though those chickens - but very tasty as sate, although the goat is better and they don’t even fight with blades!

    I saw a cock fight myself years ago in Indo and was unimpressed and would never attend such an event again. But it’s not a crime to go. Just tone it down. John I always sms you about parochialism here in Oz and now you know why. I’ll leave it to Mark Twain…

    ” ‘Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one’s lifetime’, watching the footy, driving a Holden and talking about nothing but house prices and interest rates.” - Mark Twain [Well I added that last bit myself.]

  113. By Joseph July 24th, 2008 at 9:58 pm

    ps.

    why didn’t the chicken cross the road. Because it won the cock fight and it was waiting for its limo!

    The other one ended up in an Opor Ayam curry [which I might add is a rather fine Javanese dish for those for whom this is an known unknown [hey I'm quoting Rumsfeld, and overusing these square brackets...here I go again!]

  114. By Wally July 24th, 2008 at 10:48 pm

    Hi J J Its me again I started the comments about your time in Dili I didnt realise what a storm it would create.In your next posting could we have some sort of reply, you always put your 2 cents worth in when you were on radio. It was very interesting to read all the comments,keep on treaking Wally

  115. By Ray Davis July 24th, 2008 at 11:10 pm

    I seem to remember an old quote from somewhere…err was it when in Rome do as the…..mmmm,I would not upset my hosts either by not joining in for a bit of local culture.
    Keep moving fella’s and Enjoy.

    Ray & Margaret Davis

  116. By Jon of Bentleigh July 24th, 2008 at 11:44 pm

    Yeah,

    I enjoyed bull fighting in Madrid, fabulous stuff.

    I was quite disappointed reading some of the comments.

    I think if you “only did stuff that fitted in with cosy, urban Australian values”, you may as well have just gone around Australia. Probably the same distance anyway.

    I’m all for going somewhere where the weather is warm, keep up the good work, I’m traveling with you.

  117. By Jenn July 25th, 2008 at 12:33 am

    Hi Jon and Jack,
    I am following your travels with interest, but found your post from Dili, absoloutely devestating. It is not the Cock fights, illegal or otherwise that concern me, but rather the arrival of the ubiquitous $US dollar that is the really concern as far as I can see. Extensive travel in SEA earlier this year proved to me that where the US dollar rules, political and economic autonomy surrender. Sorry if I appear more concerned for the long term prospects of the people than I do for the livestock. Great photo’s and great reporting Jack. Keep it up, and use local currency whenever possible!

  118. By Antonio Marques July 25th, 2008 at 9:01 am

    Hi J&J from now on can you only report on the things I consider correct? As a matter of fact, you SHOULD only experience the things I consider correct and nothing else. IS THAT CLEAR? Have a safe one and DO report on what you really see.

  119. By GREGIEM July 25th, 2008 at 10:44 am

    Jack whatever you see and do, record and report in your own way.Do not be put off by others. I don’t have to like it or condone it.

  120. By Robert July 25th, 2008 at 11:08 am

    Well done guys, part of travelling the world is learning about new cultures & although cock fighting doesnt sit well with many people who are we to judge, some people want to stay wrapped up in cotton wool instead of faceing the realities of life & different cultures. Please continue to be open & honest.
    Cheers
    Rob

  121. By Bruce July 25th, 2008 at 11:24 am

    Pity about the negative postings, we are after talking about the culture of another country. Thus it is assumed the negative posters will be in uproar if John & Jack happen to see a bullfight in Spain.

  122. By Alison July 25th, 2008 at 11:59 am

    Thank goodness the conversation has finally stuck up for Jack and his poetic writing. I think that all of us who are enjoying this blog so far need to remember that Jack and John are not public property, that we are privileged that they are sharing their trip with us at all and that yes, they will see and experience things (and hopefully tell us about them) that we may not like here in comfortable Australia. Jack did not condone cock fighting, he reported on it and what the experience was like at the time. I am sure that he has a range of other emotions and views that were provoked by the experience. If we are lucky enough he might share them with us. But he doesn’t have to - it ’s his holiday, and his Dad’s, and we don’t have any right to judge them while they have their glorious adventure.

    I am thrilled to be reading about it, and look forward to lots more gritty writing. Thanks Jack.

  123. By Ann July 25th, 2008 at 12:28 pm

    Hi! IF you ever get down as far as my Reply you will know that although I do not condone Cock Fighting, it is one of the things to see, whilst travelling.in that part of the world.
    Whilst in China,on the LI RIVER a few years ago I was looking forward to seeing the local fishermen, as probably their main livlihood,
    fishing at night. All in their little boats with
    their lanterns and their Cormorants. However the trip was cancelled as I was the only one out of thirty, WHO WAS CRUEL ENOUGH to want to watch.
    I was very disapointed. Those fisher men treated their cormorants as pets and I am sure they got their fishy titbits at the end of the session.
    SO I do not condem you for wanting to see what in that particular country was an everyday occurance.
    Enjoy and see all that you can, and send photos.
    Best wishes to both of you Ann

  124. By Teresa July 25th, 2008 at 12:38 pm

    Just read your Dili entry, Jack. It made me feel physically sick. Reporting truthfully on local culture is one thing, but ENJOYING the bloodthirsty spectacle as you obviously did, and posting those disgusting photos, is something else. I’m shocked and disappointed as I thought you were a caring and intelligent young man. How did Jon react, I wonder?

  125. By Pat July 25th, 2008 at 1:08 pm

    What happens to the Cocks after they’re killed? If they eat them, all’s well. At least their last seconds are spent in the glory of battle! i wonder if they have famous cocks akin to a well known matador? It’s intriguing and yes, very exciting. Can’t wait to hear more.

  126. By Jason July 25th, 2008 at 1:59 pm

    Jack, you’re an absolute disgrace.

    This is absolutely appalling, and I’m disgusted that anyone should find such a cruel, inhumane ’sport’ exciting in any fashion.

    Tell your old man that he’s lost a listener.

  127. By Jacquie July 25th, 2008 at 2:38 pm

    Am absolutely loving this blog and check in almost daily to see what you are experiencing and to share those experiences.

    What I found interesting about this entry and the replies, is that Jack never actually tells us what he personally thinks about cockfighting, but an awful lot of people think they know. Interesting!

    Please keep reporting the good, the bad, the ugly and the beautiful so that we can keep sharing the experience with you.

    Thanks guys.

  128. By Brian Hall July 25th, 2008 at 2:46 pm

    You have really stired the pot with this report. Whilst most of us are appalled at the idea of cock fighting, it is a part of many cultures throughout the world. We want and need full reports of the good and the bad you find.

    I have been to Timor on two occasions on Rotary volunteer working programs and found that as soon as you are out of Dili, you get a far different opinion of the people. They are warm, friendly and always smiling, even though they have virtually nothing.

    Please make the effort to get up into the hills and meet the real people of Timor Leste. Visit some remote schools and see the poor conditions that the teachers have to struggle with. With 80% unemployment and 60% of the population under 20 they have some big problems to overcome. These are some of our nearest neighbours and and one of the poorest economies in the world. We should be doing a lot more to help them.

  129. By Mindi Kua (the dingo lady) July 25th, 2008 at 4:55 pm

    What an amazing response to your blog Jack.

    While I was a little taken aback by the content, I have been enthralled by the response.

    What I would be truely interested in is, firstly, the conversation between Jon and Jack before the post was published, and secondly, how they both feel about the response.

    I wonder if there was a father/son debate about the pro’s and con’s of such a post, and just how that debate went? And what was Jan’s response?

    We do know that Jack is in charge of the music, but who is in charge of the blog?

    Have a great time.

  130. By Tania July 25th, 2008 at 5:50 pm

    Mmmmm…… I wonder if all of the naysayers are vegetarians? People are quick to comdemn but I bet they will eat a chicken for dinner and not think twice about it. I may not condone what Jack and Jon witnessed but battery farming of chickens here in good ol oz is just as barbaric and the chickens suffer for a hell of a lot longer.

    By the way I dont eat anything with a face.

  131. By Mrgaret Cheale July 25th, 2008 at 9:33 pm

    Jack,

    I enjoyed your account - of a different sport than we see here. That is travel and I reallyt enjoyed your entry. Hope the host of “horrified reader” responses do not deter any other such interesting ccounts of your travels.

  132. By Ken July 25th, 2008 at 9:53 pm

    Well it seemds like you are living life for most of us. About 91% of respondents support your reporting,(though some take umbrage at what they think is your enthusiasm for what you see). Please carry on ,view the different, the outlandish,the barbaric (if you can), but tell it like you see it/feel it. I’m nearing 70. Left a small NZ town at 16 for Europe and have roamed/ worked all parts of the world (except SA (America not Aust!)) since. I’m not rich, but I wouldn’t swap it for one damn thing. Jack,take no notice of the Teresas, Jens,, Ruths, Evas, Lyns, Annes (particularly stupid as some of them may seem,) (the odd Bryan, people who connect whaling with chooks), the odd Bernski, Sheila (didn’t know we were allowed to call them that anymore!). All have responded to the site in their own well meaning way. ‘Tis a shame that in doing so they so often reveal their own narrowmindedness, constrained intellect and inability to look at the real world. Most I fear were brought up in nether Toorak, insulated from the real world, taught to knit their own stockings - qv. knitting - something women do, to give themselves something to think about while they speak. Trek on!

  133. By Ros July 25th, 2008 at 11:21 pm

    Comment #92 - Michael

    I believe Godwin’s Law has been invoked.

  134. By Georgie July 26th, 2008 at 6:24 am

    Great story Jack, I’m very surprised at the negative comments - coming from a culture that sit down every weekend and watch grown men throttle each other whilst they chase a leather bag full of air - I think they call it “football”.

    Keep up the good work.

    GO CATS!

  135. By Steve July 26th, 2008 at 10:20 am

    Keep up the good work guys…you may as well not post any more to this blog, just put a link to some sanitised travel book written by someone from their hotel room or caravan park toilet block. Shock….Horror…..you went to a see some local culture….and even more horror and shock you dared to “express your thoughts and even feelings”. Well HELLO, that is what this is all about people….Would you rather J&J go from hotel to hotel and tell us about how expensive their cans of Fosters were and how the airconditioning in the room was only just adequate……booring….just like you hypocrits, who felt obliged to judge Jack where in todays world he should be applauded….for being honest and upfront and not spinning the truth to something that “he thought you may want to hear”. It is not like he is going to come back and start sticking razors to Johns beloved chooks and rabbits for regular weekly entertainment. If they see something interesting I hope they tell it as it is…..John is a journalist remember, that is a journalist job….well it used to be (and should be)….and that is why we listen to him on the radio…if you want the sanatised, sensational, what people “want” journalists view then tune into 3AW or watch CNN or read Bolts blog. I can hear you now saying a journalist should be an observer and not show emotion…get a life and tune into another blog. As for J&J, you may as well come home now, ‘cos you will see too much, be to happy or sad or reflective on what you see. China is out as you will be participating in Child Labour (and you may enjoy some of your time there…but don’t tell us about it….just keep up a judgemental frown)….Can others tell us where else they should not go and or if they do go to do something, what should their report be (PS: Can’t wait to hear your report from France after enjoying a hearty meal of Horse and Snails….you thought there was an over-reaction to your cock story, just wait until the horse lovers get stuck into you.) Good luck and Happy travels and please please don’t hold back!! Bye for now, I’m off to lob the head off one of our ducks in preparation for dinner tonight….get over it people!

  136. By Phil July 26th, 2008 at 12:54 pm

    All of us politically-correct 3LO listeners (the most likely reason that one would find this blog) should not assume that Jack holds the same “world-view” as his father. Jack is incapable of changing the culture of Timor so why is he not entitled to write about cock-fighting?

  137. By Trent July 26th, 2008 at 4:54 pm

    I do believe that the post was titled “Dili and Cockfighting”. I am surprised at the comments regarding how it should have had warning or censorship for kids or appalled at the content. It was right there in the heading, if “Cockfighting” wasn’t enough or didn’t attract your attention what were you expecting, a sedate game of tiddlywinks being played? No one is making you read the posts!!!

    Considering what the quality of pictures have been like in earlier posts I would have been deeply disappointed if the same quality hadn’t of been shown in this post. Great photography Jack and Jon.

    Congratulations Jack on a great post, (Even though some claim Jon did it)

    And to Jason aka #126 losing a listener over a post, you must be a fair weather listener.

    Look forward to more posts and look forward to reading all the comments as well.

    Regards
    Trent

  138. By David July 26th, 2008 at 8:24 pm

    A quick one for Jason (the author of comment number 126 (above)).

    See ya… hope you enjoy 3AW.

  139. By John W July 26th, 2008 at 11:04 pm

    Thanks Jon and Jack for reporting as you saw it! Folks, our two friends are not travelling across the world to introduce Australian customs and standards to every country they visit. Rather, they are on a wonderful journey to see “how life is” in other places. And cockfighting is part of life in Timor. We may not like it, and perhaps Jon and Jack don’t agree with it either, but I’m sure they wouldn’t be telling the Timorese to stop it…

  140. By Annie July 26th, 2008 at 11:14 pm

    Missing Jon on 774 every morning but the debate on your site is filling a gap. Loved the report even if I do disagree with the event. Enjoy all those amazing experiences.

  141. By Alison McGregor July 27th, 2008 at 2:01 pm

    The negative comments come from the cruelty of
    the ’sport’. Humans can choose their actions,
    participation,

    birds cannot when they are at the mercy of humans.
    ‘Be kind’ is a good motto to help all on the planet.

  142. By Russell Drowley July 27th, 2008 at 4:35 pm

    I like reading your progress heaps guys.

    Don’t be put off by all the moral compass people out there trying to plot your course. Most of them have never travelled and think everyone in the world is like them and if they are not, they damm well better be.

    It’s interesting that this stuff is pretty much the norm in Asia. I have stayed in the Philippines and China on many occasions and seen the cocks ready to go but never seen them in action. Maybe if they had 774 and the ABC TV, and a selection of commercial stuff, plus Aussie Rules, plus everything else they would not have to make their own entertainment.

    The world is an interesting place.
    Russell Drowley, Melbourne.

  143. By Kathy at kallista July 27th, 2008 at 9:08 pm

    To sound absurd this was beautifully written Jack hideous as it is you capture it and the atmostphere perfectly powerfully by almost understating it. A contraversal story to get the comments going too like father like son I think.

  144. By Jen Ch'ng July 28th, 2008 at 7:48 am

    Dear Jack, reading a few of these comments I really feel for the people. I commend you for going out of your comfort zone and experiencing things that others feel barbaric. I guess there are too many people that enjoy going to queensland and not actually experiencing what the rest of world has to offer. I have thought that to read articles like yours was an insight for the rest of us who do not have what it takes to get off our bums and experience these things our selves. It is motivating to get an insight into other cultures. It should drive us to seek and learn from other races and not sit back in our comfort zone and expect others to conform to ours. Keep up the great work, you will be presented with all manner of experience, keep reporting in the hope that we can get a glimpse of what other peoples lives are about not just a few happy snaps sitting on the beach. Please feel free to be our eyes for your journey.

  145. By S Benedict July 28th, 2008 at 8:25 am

    Those who were disappointed in Jack’s post on the Cockfight, obviously know him better than he knows himself. Get it right Jack! You were not excited you were appalled.

    To prevent this problem reoccurring, perhaps a group could be formed from the disappointed posters who could vet Jack’s posts that contain personal impressions, before they are posted. Or better still, they could let Jack know just how he will feel about things - before he experiences them. As we all know, we can at times get too caught up in the moment to understand how we truly feel. Better someone tells us how we feel from a couple of thousand kms away.

    Honesty about personal feelings can be overrated, don’t you think.

  146. By Pat July 28th, 2008 at 9:15 am

    Jsck
    Like most people posting here, I find your enthusiasm for killing for fun is puerile and very frightening. Just out of interest, how many women were present at the cock fighting? Ponder why calculated slaughter for entertainment is such a male activity, and how it might relate to the violence that is endemic in East Timor - and elsewhere around the world. Are you going you grow up to be a man who thinks spilling blood is OK is you can justify it? I hope not, Jack. I am disappointed in your enthusiasm for that blood sport.

  147. By Rob July 28th, 2008 at 10:43 am

    You were in East Timor, where the scuba diving is world class, and the coral, reefs and marine life are some of the best on the planet (yes – even on the outskirts of Dili), but instead you chose to go to a cockfight and write a blog on this?? Disappointing!!

  148. By Jason July 28th, 2008 at 10:52 am

    Comment 138. - David

    Please. 3AW is to radio what Today/Tonight is to serious journalism. Try some intelligent input next time, instead of advertising :-)

  149. By 'Trina B July 28th, 2008 at 11:38 am

    have finally got to your site, I don’t condone the cock fighting as I’m sure you don’t. You are there to experience life as others live it. Your shoulders must be very heavy with so many looking over them. We can’t all travel as you are Safe travelling.

  150. By Laurie Savage July 28th, 2008 at 2:24 pm

    I’m certainly glad you both attended the cock-fight as you’ve given us a “first-hand” witness of the event; as shocking as it is !!!
    Great journalism. Thanks Jon and Jack.

  151. By Barb. Sturmfels July 28th, 2008 at 6:36 pm

    There are some things I don’t mind being judgmental about, and one of them is cruelty to animals. And I hardly think cockfighting should be regarded as cultural. By all means, write about your experiences, but why would one want to GO to an event like this anyway?

  152. By suzie macdonald July 28th, 2008 at 8:35 pm

    Saw cocks for sale in the market (near the beach) in dili - some of these birds sitting on the top of their cages were already sparring with neck feathers bristling. The locals are very proud of their birds and treat them accordingly. When in Bauchau saw all the men walking down the hill, each one lovingly cradling their fighting bird - would love to know how they feel if their bird is the defeated one. Part of the culture but I do hope they cook the dead ones as protein is a little scarce in Timor Leste! Keep enjoying but praps don’t publish too much about animist societies!

  153. By sasa simunic July 28th, 2008 at 8:43 pm

    This trip is all about what you see and learn,good or bad.
    cheers

  154. By Richard July 28th, 2008 at 8:54 pm

    Hey, come on all you people complaining about the cockfighting! How amny of you are meat eaters?? Stop being so sanctimonious!

  155. By Apu Nahasapimapetalum July 28th, 2008 at 9:42 pm

    I suggest that wowsers and cultural imperialists who deride Jack’s interest and fascination with what he saw in Dili look at the following work of the pioneering anthropolgist Clifford Geertz:
    http://www.si.umich.edu/~rfrost/courses/MatCult/content/Geertz.pdf

    Stick that in your narrow minded pipes and smoke it.

  156. By Jillian Van July 28th, 2008 at 11:17 pm

    Jack,
    Please keep reporting your experiencs without trying to decide wether they are politically correct. Your candour regarding cockfighting - which is as old as time and - in the context of the Timorese culture - is pure and staight to the point, not offensive! Please remember that our Aussie/Anglo culture is not the ultimate reference point on which the world is measured, view with an open mind and an open heart and report all. This is not to say that you accept or condone cruelty and educate all you are able to in this instance.
    Look and learn!
    Love Jilly

  157. By Andrew July 29th, 2008 at 10:09 am

    Just tell it like it is!If people don’t like it..stiff!
    Thanks, and keep up the good work.

  158. By Bianca July 29th, 2008 at 7:06 pm

    Jack and John,
    Absolutely appalled and disappointed at your
    attendance and obvious condoning of this cruel
    practice. I can’t believe it.

  159. By Ryan Marriner July 29th, 2008 at 8:00 pm

    ….people, travel is about experiencing other cultures, customs and ways of life, please stop with your middle class values and judgements! WELL DONE JACK, you must get the ’shock jock’ from your old man :o !

  160. By Susan July 30th, 2008 at 12:57 pm

    Hi Guys I was looking forward to following you on your trip after hearing you talk with Trevor on the ABC last night .I hope that is the end of the cockfighting and any other animal cruelty.It is not much fun for the animals …..

  161. By Mia July 30th, 2008 at 3:26 pm

    Jack,
    It would have said far more about your strength of character had you declined politely the invitation to witness this event, and explained to your hosts that YOUR “cultural beliefs” did not permit deliberate cruelty to animals for the
    so-called “entertainment” of humans…that you still chose to attend speaks volumes. Also,
    being poor is no excuse for appalling cruelty…
    there are many poor nations who do not indulge
    in behaviour such as this - in fact take great care to treat their animals kindly. I wonder if your mother would be proud of your actions?

  162. By Sally July 30th, 2008 at 4:22 pm

    Jack, I’ve always wondered what makes people want to go to a cockfight. Now I understand. Thanks for an honest account and the great photographs.

  163. By Mike Hinch July 30th, 2008 at 6:36 pm

    Your travels are to experience the things this world may have to offer. You do not have to pass moral judgement in order to experience something. I would have ventured to the cock fighting ring also just for the unique nature of the experience Travel safe

  164. By Sarah McK July 30th, 2008 at 8:14 pm

    I’m sorry but I had to point out that “Michael” (post 92) has compared your actions to the holocaust..

    ???

  165. By Susan Streeter July 31st, 2008 at 1:41 pm

    Have fun boys Waiting to hear you talk with Trevor Chapel on the ABC early morning

  166. By JEAN July 31st, 2008 at 2:16 pm

    Thank you for telling about the cock fighting,and your insights and photographs were to be applauded as you are telling about the real people who have different lives to us and how they live . This is what it is like and what you go to see ,like bull fighting ,

  167. By Judy C July 31st, 2008 at 4:31 pm

    If this is the only report to be logged during your stay in Dili, I will be disappointed.The sum of Dili culture surely can’t be in cock fighting. Its male oriented and violent.

    What’s Dili really like? Is it worth visiting? Do they need the Aussie tourist dollar? Because if cock fighting is the highlight of ‘things to do in Dili’, I don’t think I’ll be going.

  168. By Teddler July 31st, 2008 at 10:48 pm

    Jacky boy, Thanks for this post whether you approve of cockfighting or not im delighted you’re sharing all of your experiences with us and not bothering to sanitise your accounts to appease the more close minded of your readers. A fantastic post keep them up. See ya mate.

  169. By Susan August 1st, 2008 at 9:40 am

    Not sure if you are getting my mail,I am an old one that is not that smart on the net but hey ! go for it All the best

  170. By Susan August 1st, 2008 at 9:46 am

    Not sure I am doing this right

  171. By Ralph Richter August 1st, 2008 at 11:08 am

    After reading most of the responses I re-read the article. I did not find the sentence where Jack says he “enjoyed” it, or was “entertained” by it. It is possible to get excited about something without enjoying it. To report on other people being entertained does not necessarily mean the writer was being entertained. To “ooh” and “aah” does not mean you like what is happening. Keep up the interesting reporting Jack, I don’t want a “rose coloured glasses” view of the countries you are visiting. I’m looking forward to your future writings/photos.

  172. By matt August 1st, 2008 at 11:18 pm

    Everywhere in the world there are things that are different to our culture and I am sure that if Jon and Jack didn’t want to experience them, then they would have just stayed in Melbourne. There are plenty of horrible things in the world going on right now, and surely people don’t expect Jon and Jack to have the superpowers to stop them all as they journey. I would have gone too guys and experienced life of another culture, and as much as I don’t agree with this form of entertainment, these things do go on in the world..

  173. By helen B August 2nd, 2008 at 4:02 pm

    Hi Jack,
    Have seen cock fights in Bali, The thing I found disturbing about your blog, was what appeared to be your excitment about this experience.

    To report is enlightening to revel in it ??

    Disturbing??

    Helen

  174. By Anne August 3rd, 2008 at 2:21 pm

    Hi J. and J.,
    Still playing the devil’s advocate Jon? Just adding a bit of spice? I have a class of Grade 3 students following your trip and creating projects of each stop. Thought it was a good idea as several children are your loyal listeners. Not so sure now but keep having fun!

  175. By kelo August 3rd, 2008 at 9:38 pm

    Hi Jon & Jack, Enjoying your trip so far but a bit dissapointed about the cock fights, thats not very tasty. have a safe trip, cu soon
    Kelo

  176. By Oliver August 4th, 2008 at 11:56 am

    Ah Jon, how great it most be to escape from the ‘oh so sensible’ culture of ABC talkback radio. Enjoy your travel far away from the whinging heartland of Melbourne!

  177. By Peterpills August 6th, 2008 at 2:54 pm

    And the same people who decried the different culture would reckon our form of democracy the ideal to be exported.
    Travel lesson #1: things are different.

  178. By Bev August 7th, 2008 at 8:24 pm

    I have just found this site although I know Jon and Kack were travelling overseas. I dont think the problem is the cockfight persee. I think it is the obvious enjoyment that was had by Jack. I too appreciate that different cultures enjoy different things, and we need to experience and appreciate what happens in this world, but not necessarily enjoy it all. Deliberately confronting blog I think!!

  179. By Gus Fitzgerald August 12th, 2008 at 10:10 am

    Hi guys,
    hope all is going well. i just thought i should comment on this as i have seen many cock fights in Bali. And even though it is an inhumane act, cock fighting is a truly awesome spectacle.
    Jack some of those photos a fantastic. Keep it up.
    Gus

  180. By Cathy Soulsby August 13th, 2008 at 10:04 am

    Hi
    Just heard John talking on 774 And decided to log on. Disgusted to read that you attended a cockfight. Will not be logging on anymore!

  181. By Gabrielle Poustie August 26th, 2008 at 6:35 pm

    I have just read a few of the replies and agree with everyones views. Jon and Jack I thought this trip was to get to know each other and inform the people at home the wonders you are both seeing. There are so many negitive and sad things in the world today we do not need to know about another Gabrielle

  182. By yaya Sonanda August 29th, 2008 at 3:10 pm

    Hi…Mr.John N Jack…
    How’s life?
    Where are you now?
    Have you remember with us( Yaya,dhewi and Rian at Palembang South Sumatera)
    Now I an in Jogjakarta I have Finished task or Job Trainning at Government tourism office at Palembang and back to university. Now we waiting for fasting month in JoGJakarta, and maybe back to Palembang at Lebaran Day…
    What about your journey? is it nice? I hope you have a time for visiting Jogjakarta…next.here I stay for studying. You can contact us at 085921442177 it’s my mobile number.see you

    yaya/

  183. By Mick September 1st, 2008 at 11:47 am

    Jaxson, you’re a legend! I pushed through the comments having a go at you and finally found someone worth agreeing with (Bob, Ray etc). Yes it’s gruesome and horrible but it happens, and the point of this trip I assume is to experience local cultures. Good on you for writing about it (and well written I may add) and good on you for going along. Kudos.

  184. By Dane P April 5th, 2009 at 3:56 pm

    This article disturbs me. What have humans become? I am so saddened by this article that I am almost in tears. This is disgusting. How can someone enjoy watching an animal being tortured? How can someone enjoy watching slaughter and pain taking place right in front of their eyes? Wow. This is seriously wrong and no words can describe how low this is. I am ashamed to be a part of the human race if this is what we do to these poor creatures. Anyone who enjoys “cockfighting” should be seriously ashamed of themselves, not that they will, as I’d expect anybody who enjoys watching pain as a sadist and mentally impaired.

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